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I would like to give you, through the eyes of a trained observer, exact picture of one

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of these close encounters, as listed in a Federal Aviation Agency report and in the

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assigned report which is in our files.

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Imagine for a moment that you are Captain George W. Schemmel, a veteran on transworld

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airlines. You are flying a super constellation over Amarillo, Texas at a height of about 16,000 feet.

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It is a perfectly clear night. You can see all the way to the horizon. It's about 11 o'clock

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and most of the people down the cabin are asleep or a few reading. Half of them have

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their seat belts off. Without any warning, something, a glowing object of some kind, comes swiftly

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over the horizon. It comes towards you much faster than any aircraft we know about could

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possibly speed. As it makes a sharp turn in your direction, you can see flashing lights,

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red, green and white, varying very rapidly. One more turn and this object is headed straight

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toward the super constellation. You have no time to warn the passengers. You slam the

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controls down and you die for 2,000 feet. If you pull out, you can hear screams back

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in the cabin. If you pull out, turn the controls over to the first officer and go back in the

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cabin and you find a real mess. About 15 passengers were thrown up against the ceiling. Two or

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three are lying unconscious overseas, you are in the aisles. Bits of luggage, packages and

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so on and there. People are groaning, one or two screaming and you manage to quiet them

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down and then you go back and radio the ground for ambulances. You land, the really injured

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people are taken off. You reassure the others and finally you go on with your flight. You

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are asked by the Federal Aviation Agency and later by the Air Force what it was. I haven't

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the slightest idea. It was no aircraft. This was a UFO and this is only one of the near

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collisions on the airways which are on official record. One of them happened to a Pan-American

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Captain Matthew Van Winkle who was flying from New York to Puerto Rico with a full out on a DC-6

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and an object came toward him so rapidly that he didn't even have time to die. He simply pulled

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the DC-6 up and stood it on his tail. Then he slammed the nose down to keep him stalling.

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When he threw the nose down, up went the passengers. Same thing again, Puerto Rico

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ambulance is meeting the plane. Air Force said this was a fireball. Van Winkle said

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I have seen hundreds and hundreds of meters in fireballs. I'm not going to risk passengers' lives

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by pulling up like that for any meteor. On the west coast of United Airlines plane, narrowly

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avoided collision, result stewardess unconscious in the aisle of the skull concussion, passenger

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with a broken leg and half a dozen other passengers moderately hurt. These are the things which

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many people don't hear about. The reason you don't hear about them is because for years we've had

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wild stories from cooks all over the United States and even in foreign countries. The wildest

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tales that you can imagine hooked up with this flying saucer business. For instance, a man in New

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Jersey named Howard Menger who said he was very fortunate. He met the space-groten Venus

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who was down here and married her. They were very happy for a little while and she wrote

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a book by Saturnian lover. It turned out that she'd already been married to this man on

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Saturn. Then there was a chap named Dan Fry who was down near White Sands. He walked out

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in the desert one night. A huge flying disc landed near him and he walked over toward

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it. He wasn't a bit frightened. Lots of people who see these things go the other way. He

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walked over and a voice came out from the air somewhere and said, don't touch the hull

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of Pal, it's still hot. Then the voice continued, wait a minute, and then the door opened and

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invited the board. There was nobody in the disc at all. It seemed it was being controlled

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by very high altitude from a mothership, all remote control. So he was taken on a flight

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to New York up and back in 14 minutes, as I recall. They explained to him what they were

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doing and this was wonderful. He went on a TV program shortly after that and made the

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mistake of taking a life detector test. There's another chap you may have seen on television

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lately, Mel Mowell. He says he was with an Air Force unit, he was an Air Force pilot,

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assigned to Chase UFOs. One day they ran into a group of these objects and they had a

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Colonel leading this, I don't know why they had a Colonel leading a flight of six jets,

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but anyway this Colonel began to correspond on radio with, or rather communicate on radio

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with these UFO people or whatever they were. It was a very interesting conversation. They

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told him that next Monday if he wanted to use it, the information that the stock market

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was going up. But anyway the Colonel later went and met these people secretly and then

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he went up to Mars with them and he's been organizing flights back and forth carrying

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scientists, some of you people, old bridge better look out, carrying American scientists

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and military men up there and the Marstons came down here and they got a base in Brazil

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where they're building these things and pretty soon we're going to have a global and

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Martian civilization. Now there are hundreds of stories like this and they get worse every

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month, but you can see why people who have never looked into this subject are going to

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be misled and as a result many people honestly think it's pure nonsense, come right out and

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say so. One of them recently was the Reverend Francis Hayden, an Eminence astronomer at

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Georgetown University. He said there are a hundred percent hallucinations. He didn't

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say 99, he didn't, nobody was right. So I would like to read just a few names of some

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of these people who have been having hallucinations. These are all signed, documented reports in

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our files and also most of them in Air Force files. Dr. Seymour Hess, a meteorologist who

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was at Lowelly Observatory, so a power disk daylight. Dr. H. Percy Wilkins, the expert

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on Mars, who saw two objects while he was in the United States. Professor Henry

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Karloff, head of the physics department at the University of Mississippi who was also an Air

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Force reserve colonel. He saw a UFO, an oval shaped object with four ports through which

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you can see a glowing light. He reported that. We asked him later what the Air Force said

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about it and he said no comment. Captain Alba Reheda, B-29 Commander, World War II.

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Captain Jack Puckett, Army Air Corps, Major Edmund Jerome, Army Air Corps. Captain Harold

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Klotz, TWA, Lieutenant Dwayne Swimley, Army Air Force, well, A-Doormat-On. I've got this

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bullet, incidentally, this document, called the UFO evidence, prepared by our committee

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and I'm going to get rid of the name immediately, it's a jawbreaker. The National Investigations

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Committee on Aerial Phenomena and for short, it's an ICAP, N-I-C-A-P. It was organized to

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carry on the serious investigation of the evidence, rule out all of the screwball reports, see if

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there was enough proof that something really existed and if there was to try to end the

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censorship. We have on our board of governors, high ranking military officers, scientists,

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experts in aviation and various fields. We have between 250 and 300 advisors, special

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consultants, who will answer questions and help us in almost any field we would need,

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connected with investigations of UFOs. So this is not any organization connected with

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the Cougs. As the doctor said, I'm asking about joining anybody that wants to connect me about

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that. That isn't why I came here. But now, in the last year or so, many of you probably

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noticed, there's been a great increase in interest and acceptance in UFO reality. At least a lot

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of people will go to the point where they'll say, I don't know, but I'm willing to look at the evidence.

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Well, here's some of the recent cases that you might consider. Report last July by Julian

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Sandable, former Air Force navigator, 8,000 flying hours. He is now on the Apollo project

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and has been on this for about two years. Sandable saw a UFO hovering near Albuquerque, New

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Mexico, and he took a bearing on it and tracked it for about 10 minutes, which was just barely

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moving, 35 miles to 40 miles an hour. And suddenly it tilted up and accelerated and went out of

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sight so rapidly that he said in the assigned report to us, it was making at least six max,

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six times the speed of sound, which is over 3,600 miles an hour, on perhaps 4,000. Another

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report, Captain George Walton, a scientist in New Mexico, graduate of Columbia University.

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He was driving along the road in the state with his wife, went to going discs about 25 feet

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in diameter, swooped down beside their car. Mrs. Walton screamed and the doctor didn't scream

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and he stepped on it and went down the road as far as his passenger's car would make it. About 90 he reported.

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These discs paced him for 10 miles and then they climbed up, peeled off and went out of sight.

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Incidentally, this sighting was investigated by the chief Air Force consultant on UFOs, Dr. J. Alan

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Heineck. I think the main reason he went down there is because here was a rather scientist, and if a

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scientist was reporting these things, well, it was time to look into it. He came back and he said,

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this is an authentic report. They saw an identified flying object. Another scientist recently told

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us about an experience he had while driving on the Beltway around Washington. This was last

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August. He saw an object at a rather high altitude which was moving too rapidly to be an echo

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satellite or anything besides it was moving back and forth in zigzag fashion. He stopped his car

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at one side and watched for a few moments and then he saw this object descend very rapidly. He lost sight of it

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and he drove on a little farther and drove over on the grass. Then he saw this thing come down

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and the speed he later said was probably somewhere around 4,000 miles an hour. It stopped 200 feet above

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the ground and hovered near a house. He said he was strongly impelled to go over and take a closer

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look at it, but he was more strongly impelled to get in his car and get down the highway, which he did.

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He told the Air Force afterwards that he was literally half frightened to death. Recently in Florida,

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a private pilot who was eight years with the Army Security Agency, a man named James O'Connor,

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was making a daylight flight in a light plane. When he noticed all of a sudden he was in a very deep

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shadow. There had been a clear sky so he looked up and he said he almost fainted. There was a huge

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flying disk about 500 feet above him. When he tried to get a turn away from it, every time he turned

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this thing matched the maneuver and stayed above him. And finally he said, I just hit the throttle,

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full power and stuck the nose down and died. I didn't look back until I was down to where I had to pull out.

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The thing was going out of sight at a very high rate of speed. Now these are not just extraordinary

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cases. These are typical reports that come into us month after month of Washington. One of the latest came from

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the entire crew of a Canadian airliner. This was the DC-8 jet of Peru. This happened about January 10th.

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They saw a light which they couldn't explain and then as it got closer they could see there were two

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bright lights with beams coming out of them in between a ring of colored lights that seemed to be flashing.

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This thing came down closer and closer until they could see the shape of an object which seemed to be

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rounded to sort of an oval shape behind the lights. This UFO faced them for a few moments and then

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climbed up the same story off again at high speed. The captain, Robert Milbank, stated, I never believed

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in flying saucers before but I've got to now. So you may think, well if this is really happening why is it all so much

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secrecy? Why don't they just come out in the open and the facts on the line? Well it's a very complicated situation.

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I'll go into part of that censorship later but I want to make it clear I am not attacking the United States Air Force.

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These people are under orders. There is a group in the project and a group from the press desk in Washington and the

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Information Office, the Secretary's office. To explain away these reports when they become public as quickly as possible.

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They are under orders from a higher level and in 1953 it was the CIA. The CIA said to get rid of this danger and your

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crowded communications and we're having a lot of trouble here. Debunk these. Get rid of them any way you can. I think the evidence

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indicates that the CIA is still giving the orders. Possibly the National Security Council. So when you hear people say

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well the Air Force is lying or giving false answers, you're talking mainly about the group of men down there extremely unhappy about it.

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When we put out these answers we know nobody is going to believe them and one of these days it's going to blow up in our face.

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Now as I said before there has been a great increase in acceptance by the public. The Gallup poll shows 46% of the American people believe in

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the reality of UFOs. That doesn't mean they believe they are interplanetary spacecraft but they believe they are real. They don't

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accept the official answers. And one thing that is not referring to this has been a great increase in close approaches and touched landings

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within the last year and a half. When I say touched landings I'm not referring to these. Again the wild stories that you hear like a woman

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down in Silver Spring named Madeline Rodifer. She says that the spacemen land in her backyard regularly they come in for, come in

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supper and sometimes stay overnight. And she has a great time. The worst of it is she gets on television with these stories.

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And there was another chap who had an even wilder tale and got him into trouble. A man named Truman Bethram. He was a contractor and he was out on the

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desert. I don't know why half of these people are always out on the desert when they see these things. But anyway it was kind of hot and he

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sat there and just cool off. And all of a sudden just planted nearby. And he washed it, doors lit open, came a beautiful

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space lady. Turned out her name was Captain Aura Reigns and she was in command. And this thing came from the planet Clarion which you

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never heard about or at least never seen because it's always on the other side of the sun. Astronomers say they don't know how that happens but anyway that's where it came from.

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So she and Bethram had quite a conversation and this went on and night after night of these very very animated conversations got through each other quite well until Mrs.

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Bethram said she was not going to play second fiddle in the space girl suiting for divorce. But that kind of thing landings. There must have been 50 people in the last year who

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reported having things land near them and various types of space creatures come out. I'm talking about things like this. A report by a NASA space

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agency engineer named E.G. Cremons and Major John Nayudetley, Air Force retired who was also an engineer with the space agency. These two men reported seeing a

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disc shaped object with a rotating rim and flashing lights come down and touch ground briefly near Hampton, Virginia. Cremons reported this to the Air Force. Shortly after that an investigator from Langley Field came over and said you sure you

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didn't see a helicopter. He said well I ought to know a helicopter that's been in the space agency this long and they asked mainly the same thing. He said well I've flown helicopters besides jet aircraft and if I can't tell

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the difference they'd better put me in St. Elizabeth's or somewhere. So all newspapers came out. This was a helicopter. Down in Pretoria, South Africa about a year ago two constables were patrolling in a police van shortly after midnight. They saw an object about 40 feet in the

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ammeter resting on the highway straight ahead of them. Their lights fell on it and they slowed down and then decided to go in and investigate. They closed in to about a quarter of a mile and this object lifted from the ground a few feet. And then an exhaust flame blasted straight down and the object rose very rapidly and then went off on a horizontal angle and disappeared. Where the exhaust flame had hit the highway, which was

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Macadam Road. There was a whole six feet in diameter and the tar in the Macadam was on fire and it blazed for three hours before they could put it out. This was confirmed by the comment out of the district a Colonel H. H. Britt and he said that this was a highly important matter and it was under a top secret investigation and that's all we've ever been able to get out of that one except that it happened. Down in the Everglades about nine months ago, there was a

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man who trains dogs and also has a ranch nearby, was in the glades with a swamp buggy and he saw an object land, a very strange object, he went over toward it. His dogs were raising such a fuss that he kept them. He tried keeping locked in the swamp buggy. But he got near this thing and he could see that it was a cone shaped object. It wasn't the usual disk shape. There have been several of these huge cone shaped objects reported within the last year or so.

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It was a cone shaped object, which he estimated about 75 to 100 feet across the base and 60 feet high. There were four tiers of what could have been ports or at least apertures of some kind. But he could see nothing inside. He could see just a little glow behind each one of these little square sections.

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As he came near this, he put up his hand and sheared his eyes from his brilliant glare and according to his signed report and what he told our investigators, that was the last he remembered. When he came to, he had a very deep cache over one eye. He could see out of that at all and he could barely see out of the other.

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After a number of hours, he managed to get back to his swamp buggy and went to a seven old village and they took him into a hospital at Fort Myers. The chief of police in Fort Myers, the editor of the local paper, most of the leading citizens down there all swear that if this man, Flynn, said it happened, it happened.

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But that isn't enough. You can't accept that as evidence. After he got out of the hospital, he led a search party back into the glades and they found an area with a circular, with a circular scorched spot, 70 feet in diameter.

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They found broken limbs 35 feet above the ground and they found charred limbs. It looked as though something had come straight down, straight down to this spot and hovered there or just above the ground.

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There was not a sign of anything in this scorched area in Iraq or anything, it was completely flat. The doctor who treated Flynn said that he had deep muscle injuries and other effects which could not have been resultable hoax.

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If he wanted to do all this and hit himself over the eye, create a hoax, he still couldn't have caused this other thing. So there was another case, a recent case, indicating strong proof that something or other is coming in and landing, briefly landing on a rock.

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They found this earth, taking off again and observing it. Now quite often when these reports are made public, it ends in unfortunate ridicule for the witnesses. Two Texas deputy sheriffs cited an object on September 3, 1965, down near Damon, Texas.

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They approached an area where they could see an object with a brilliant purple light in the nose and a faint blue light at the end. They saw this thing come down toward them and they could see the shadow on the ground because it was a bright moonlight night and they could see very clearly this long oval shape.

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Deputy Sheriff Robert Good was in the driver's seat. He was leaning out trying to see back of the glow with binoculars. It was so blinding that the ground was lit up with this purple light and it even lit up the inside of the car.

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He reported that when the object was some 75 yards from them, he could feel a sudden intense heat at which time he'd got the binoculars and the car in motion. And in the signed report by him and the other deputy sheriffs, they went down the road 110 miles an hour.

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This is what they told the Air Force and we have a copy of the report to the Air Force in which they described this and the major from Ellington Air Force Base, the team that came in with this major, they told these men that they had definitely seen a UFO and was nothing else could explain it.

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Out of Dayton, the chief of the project, Major Robert Quintanilla, said that they had been deceived by the star and terries.

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So here we have two deputy sheriffs who've been in shooting scrapes and really tough lawmen down there and they took a look at the star and raced down the road 110 miles an hour.

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We gave a friendly newspaper man in Washington the report on this. He went out to the project and said, I think you had better recheck this because there's some evidence this was not a star.

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So Quintanilla looked into it and called down there. He had never talked with these men before and after a while he said, yes, you're right, it wasn't. And terries at all.

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So it's an unsolved case, but down the dame, down where these men live, they're still being ridiculed. They've seen a flying saucer lately.

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So this is an unfortunate situation, but it results from the general fear of the result if all of the information is made public.

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Now back at this mass evidence, and I speak of mass evidence, I mean over 10,000 reportants in our files, about the same number in the Air Force files.

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And some of them duplicates, of which at least 20% are from the best possible observers.

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The pilots and all the armed forces on all the major airlines, astronomers, control tower operators, scientists, engineers, and good solid citizens all around the country, as well as the same abroad.

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These reports have revealed a lot of remarkable information. First of all, they show that the majority of things seen by these people were discs.

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They're apparently metallic. They have a diameter 10 times their thickness at the center.

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They're capable of hovering and accelerating at incredible speeds from hovering up to several thousand miles an hour within seconds, which seems to defy all natural laws.

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They can make right angle turns without banking. They can hover and reverse. They can go straight up.

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In one case, one was recorded on height finder radar, it's going up about 5,000 miles an hour before it went out of range.

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Now, all of these things have been confirmed by radar scopes and visual reports by credible observers.

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For instance, the case of Major Charles Scarborough, United States Marine Corps. Scarborough was a jet pilot, he was in the reserve at this time.

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He was a lawyer down in Dallas, who still is. He had four other marine pilots out on a training mission.

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It was just about noon and bright, clear day, and suddenly they saw 16 discs approaching in a formation of four squares.

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They were keeping a very precise formation. Scarborough, who was down, I remember the other two, but he was down fairly low, radioed the top man, Captain Stanton,

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and said, dive and we'll see if we can box one in and he radioed the others and told us to get the one on the end over here on that farthest square.

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Stanton knows no word and he said, that's the last I ever saw. And Scarborough, I wasn't describing the way they went out of sight, said they flew at an unreasonable speed.

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The speed was later computed to be at least 10,000 miles an hour. And a lot of people read that and said, well, that's ridiculous.

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Marine or no marine pilot, I don't believe it. Well, it went up to Navy headquarters. The Marine Corps got it and then the Navy and it had to turn it over to the Air Force.

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The Air Force, following orders from the CIA, we never heard of it. So I got a hold of Scarborough and he gave us a signed report and said, I gave it to the Navy and they told me it turned it over to the Air Force and they had no answer.

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Now, one of the best cases I know, confirming the disk type of UFO was relayed to our committee by Admiral Delmar Farny, former head of Navy Goddard Missiles.

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Admiral Farny was at one time, the head of our group, the chairman of our committee and also one of our special advisors.

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This report described an encounter over the Atlantic. Some of you here, I know there's at least one young lady here who's a member of the NICET.

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So she knows that. I hope you all haven't read this case because I had it in one of my books. But at any rate, perhaps I can give you a few details that weren't in there.

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A Navy transport was flying back from Europe, returning several Navy aviation crews after foreign duty.

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They were flying at 19,000 feet at about 100 miles out of Gander, Newfoundland.

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When the crew in the cockpit spotted lights down on the surface or close to the surface of the water, the commanders backed to spiral down and take a look at which time these lights spread out very rapidly, except for one, which came up toward the transport at Newfoundland.

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This was at incredible speed. As it reached that level, it could be seen as a giant flying disk with a diameter which, practically all aboard this plane, later estimated four times the wingspan of the super constellation, about 350 feet in diameter and 30 feet thick.

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It had a fluorescent, bluish-green glow around the rim.

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This object came straight toward the transport, and the three-striper, the commander of the plane, said he was paralyzed, which was a good thing because he tried to move the controls, and he might have hit it.

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At the last moment, the object flipped up on edge and went by the wing, and it came back in a few seconds and paced it for about 10 seconds, and then tilled it up and went out of sight.

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Now, this was seen by, frankly, every one aboard the plane, including 11 pilots.

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When they got to Gander, Air Force Intelligence interrogated them separately and then together. They got down to Patuxent, Maryland, Naval Intelligence took over.

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Each man was required to state his opinion of what it was they had seen. Most of them said, we've seen something from some other civilization.

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Two or three days later, a scientist from a top agency in Washington came down with some secret photographs, and the commander identified one of these as practically the same as the thing that they had almost hit over the Atlantic.

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But when he asked questions about it, they said, I'm sorry. All I do is ask questions, I don't hear any of them.

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Now, this is typical in all interrogations, official interrogations. They will not say anything to you, no matter if you're a high up in the military service.

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There was another case, another disk case, which I think is interesting because the Air Force confirmed this officially to me in writing, and that was the encounter by Captain W. B. Nash, Pan-American Airways.

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He is now a senior Pan-American, Captain flying F-727 jets over Germany, and he's on a special assignment carrying high-government officials, VIPs. So they don't think that he's any crackpot.

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Nash and his copilot saw six 100-foot disks, glowing red and orange red, approaching beneath them. They were flying at 6,000 feet altitude, 8,000, and these objects were about 6,000 below.

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When they started to bang to take a look, the objects all flipped up on edge and then made a violent change of course, flattened out, accelerated to very high speed and disappeared.

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Now, this was confirmed by Air Force radar, also by Navy witnesses on the ground. Major Dewey Fornay, who was then the monitor of the project and is now on our board of governors, told me this was one of the best, most thoroughly documented cases the Air Force had.

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They checked every possible explanation and they had no answer. Two years ago, the Air Force labeled this insufficient information and wrote it off as explained.

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The second shape that has been revealed by the evidence is sometimes called cigar shape, but that's misleading because it's more usually a very thick oval, something like the old-type blimp.

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We have a report from the commanding officer of a squadron aboard a Navy carrier.

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He had seven attack planes with him and they were merely going through routine exercises over the Atlantic when they saw this huge oval-shaped device up above them.

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It was keeping even with them about a thousand feet above and they could see no sign of propulsion.

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Well, the skipper got on the radio and called everybody and said, spread out and let's try to get up there around it.

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Don't go up right underneath it. We'll get around it and see what we can find out.

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As they started up, this thing tilted around at a very sharp angle and then blasted and exhaust about 50 to 60 feet long out of the tail and then spread like that.

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If this had stayed in the position it was when the nose went up, it certainly would have knocked two or three of these Navy planes out of the sky.

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They went back to the carrier, landed, reported it. Air Force intelligence men were out there in 30 minutes.

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All these men were ordered never to reveal it to anybody, not to discuss it with anyone.

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The reason I get these things is because we have a lot of contacts in the services and I have classmates fairly high-ranked.

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They don't believe in the secrecy and they say it's not right and we're not going to fall in the order like that.

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So that's how this case was given to us. We can't use the officer's name.

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He said if he can get all the men who were involved that night or that day, he will sign his name.

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But he's coming up to Admiral and he doesn't want to stop at Captain.

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A more recent case occurred a year ago on the run from Anchorage to Tokyo.

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A flying Tiger airliner was about 250 miles out of Tokyo when radar picked up three objects keeping positions, exactly five miles off one wing.

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Now this plane was carrying military personnel including an Air Force Captain who was a courier from the State Department.

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They called the Captain up because he was an experienced navigator and asked him his opinion and also if he could estimate the size.

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So we're using the five mile radar range. He and others in the compartment took their hands and encased these oval shaped objects.

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They could see very plainly with their fingers like this and they estimated depending on the size of the fingers and so forth somewhere between an inch and a half, two inches long.

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But you reduce that and you get something that is close to 2,000 feet in length.

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You had three objects which everybody aboard this flying Tiger airliner believe was two, each of these objects was 2,000 feet long.

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These things paced the plane for 20 minutes and then tilled it up and went out of speed, decided at a speed which they tracked.

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They figured it out pretty closely at about 1,250 knots.

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We have the signed record on that, the flight, names of two or three of the people who were aboard and also so.

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That's never been made public by the Air Force.

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You're all probably are most of you familiar with the incident at Exeter which is in a book called The Exeter Incident by John Fuller.

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Describing how an object came down over Exeter or near Exeter, New Hampshire and two police officers saw it and another witness.

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They saw the thing hovering about 50 feet in the ground at one time.

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It was down below the tree level. It hovered for some 20 minutes.

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One of the police officers was about to fire at it and then he thought better of it, jumped in the car and radioed for help.

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When this was made public, as your Quintenella said without getting on the phone asking anything, stars and planets.

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Well the officer said, I was in the Air Force for four years and if I hadn't learned how to recognize a star and a planet, they better get me off the police force.

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So after a lot of agitation and Quintenella I understand blamed NICAP for that because we have our investigator up there, one of our men, who proved that this thing was real.

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It was something hovering down low and it had pulsating lights which pulsated in sequence. One, two, three, four, five and back.

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So the Air Force withdrew this answer and they said it was a refueling operation for jets.

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So here we had a jet hovering for 20 minutes, 50 feet above the ground up at Exeter.

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It should be a surprise, the most jet pilot.

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Then finally after a lot of pressure they admitted that it wasn't that they took it away and said the police officers involved had written in and protested to the Air Force.

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They said we are being constantly ridiculed about this report and you know those aren't the right answers. Will you please take us off the hook?

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So the Air Force wrote and said if certain conditions are met then you are right but they never published it.

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They never put out on the wires or anything so these men are still getting a laugh most of the time.

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Now there are cases of huge devices, usually the oval shaped devices, discharging small units which may be remote controlled, probably our observation units.

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We've had a number of those cases. We're investigating them. I don't say that we accept them completely but some of them come from bettering pilots than the armed forces.

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Now all of this is not merely confined to the United States.

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In a global pattern we have reports from practically every country in the world.

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We even have some reports from behind the Iron Curtain which the Air Force collected with the help of British intelligence.

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And we're also getting them down at NiCAP from several governments.

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Now the Argentine government has sent us a report recently from the Navy Ministry and they described how one of their ships was having trouble with its compasses and suddenly they spied this huge UFO 2,000 meters away.

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I don't remember the exact conversion for 2,000 but it's over 2,000 meters, it's over 6,000 feet.

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This influence, this electromagnetic interference reported, was so strong that it knocked out the compasses.

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Every compass on this ship and the ship was checked afterwards and all the compasses were found to be in perfect order.

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This is simply one little bit of evidence from a foreign country.

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We've had hundreds of reports from Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, Australia, Turkey, South Africa and the same picture over and over again.

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Australia had one very interesting case.

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They found a pilot of a sea fury radioed into his station and said,

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There are two strange objects flying winged to it with me.

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So they radio back and they said, Make a 360.

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He made a 360 degree turn and they said, Yeah, we know who you are in the middle.

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So they accepted that.

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This is an official report, the Australian Navy put it, logged it.

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It was one in Brazil where a Brazil airliner ran right, flew right, square into a formation of about 19 discs.

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And they were so brilliantly glowing that the passengers could see these as the first disc started around the plane.

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And everybody ran amok.

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One woman passenger ran up into the cockpit and tried to grab the controls and she never flown before.

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I don't know what the idea was, but anyway.

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The report we got said the copilot regretted, but he had to pick up a park signature and throw it on the head.

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Now this is, the Brazilians were very much upset because somebody started the idea that these were secret American devices,

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which we were testing all over the world and we had a little trouble convincing them that we not only didn't have anything like that,

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we certainly wouldn't be testing them down there.

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But there have been many such things.

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It was a case where an RAF pilot, brought daylight over Sussex, was climbing up to join two meteor jets.

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He was buying a meteor jet.

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He saw two discs searching around these jets and he was, when he looked back after watching them,

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here was a third, just coming right straight toward his meteor.

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He said it was just at the distance when he first saw it, it filled the wingspan.

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And he sat there paralyzed like the Navy pilot over the Atlantic.

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The thing flipped by and he said it had a typical shape, like two bowls or pans, one inverted on top of the other,

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typical flying saucer description with a sort of a dome on top.

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He said, I was so upset I had to fly around several times before he calmed down.

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That's a typical British report.

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But now if all of this, this is just a fraction of the evidence.

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If all this is true, if you accept it, then the natural question comes, are there remote control,

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are there any beings inside these things?

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And if so, what kind of beings?

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Well, everybody who's conducting a serious investigation has shared away from that, or veered away from it,

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because the minute you start talking about beings, you run into the same trouble, trouble like this.

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A man named Adamski, who was the first wild man connected with UFOs.

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And he said the spaceship landed near him on the desert.

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And a golden-haired space boy came out and they conversed telepathically for a while and then they broke in English.

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And finally the spaceman pointed down to his feet and after he left, and after he saw indentations in the sand from cleats on the bottoms of this spaceman's shoes,

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and the friend is just having to have some plaster of Paris.

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So they poured it in and got these, and they later, they got some cryptologists and they were able to decipher the message,

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it was a space message for the earth.

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Adamki said he was not allowed to reveal it.

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Now, these beings that have been described in various people, very anywhere from hairy creatures, very frightening looking to 12-foot giants,

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one up in Garcin, Canada, to a very, very handsome spaceman up in Detroit.

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There was a woman up there, well her first name was Laura, I won't go any further than that, but anyhow, she was engaged to a fellow I knew slightly.

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He was interested in the UFO subject and she broke the engagement.

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And I was there when he told me he was having trouble about it.

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He said, she said, I'm sorry, but she said since I have met the spaceman, she said I realized that I would never be happy with anyone living on earth here.

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She said earth men have a lot to learn, so she broke the engagement.

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I mentioned these comic incidents just to show you that it goes on constantly so that you'll be prepared to differentiate between the cooks and the deluded people and the serious observers.

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Now the evidence, even though it doesn't show anything about beings, we know of no cases that have been verified and documented where anyone has seen a space being.

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It may have happened, but we don't know it.

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But here's some things that have been proved.

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Electromagnetic interference, as I mentioned before, there have been hundreds of cases where UFOs have come down at relatively low altitudes

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and knocked out TV, radio, car ignition, sometimes car headlights.

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How well has it substantiated to reveal that?

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All of these are substantiated.

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First, it's the case that the Illinois State Police...

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How many times have things revealed as well as things?

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Well, one report from the Illinois State Police.

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That's the name, location.

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A UFO came down at a relatively low altitude near Danville, I think was the city.

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They took out after it and they kept going on different roads, trying to keep somewhere near it.

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And every time they got within a half a mile of it, up went the radio, they couldn't get back.

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The ignition cut out.

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Two California State Police had the same thing happen to them.

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They had to go up and call their headquarters.

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Headquarters said, yeah, Air Force Radars got it.

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And the report when you get back, there's too many of these things.

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It's happened on the airliners.

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The Venezuelan airliner had a drunken finder and two receivers burned out.

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There have been cases of minor blackouts, power blackouts.

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Now, as soon as the great blackout happened on November 9, 1965, we were dead.

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It was with calls and wires, queries.

345
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Could the UFOs have caused this?

346
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:12,240
And I thought, well, certainly not.

347
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:16,240
So I went right out on a layman and said I didn't think it was possible.

348
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:20,240
We're upon one of our chief advisors who was an electrical engineer.

349
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:23,240
He said, well, I wouldn't be too hasty about this.

350
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:31,240
It turns out that there were sightings that night, right over the area where the blackouts began.

351
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:33,240
Well, that still is just coincidence.

352
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:39,240
But then the answer came that all this was started by a failure of a relay up in Ontario.

353
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:42,240
And we've had several engineers checking on this.

354
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:45,240
And one of them has been down talking to the Federal Power Commission.

355
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:49,240
And they don't, to this day, know exactly what happened.

356
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:59,240
They really say, well, apparently a relay went out and we do know there was an escalation along the grid to build up and everything went out, despite all the safeguards they were supposed to have.

357
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:10,240
But this chief advisor in electrical engineering said, if one little thing could do that in Ontario and cause the escalation,

358
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:13,240
then a minor blackout by UFO did to it.

359
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,240
Well, I still don't accept it.

360
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:19,240
I say that that was probably the way it was described.

361
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:21,240
But I'll tell you this much.

362
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:23,240
It's being investigated all over again.

363
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:29,240
And one scientist who's interested in is Dr. James McDonald, University of Arizona,

364
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:34,240
who was greatly instrumental in getting the Colorado Project underway.

365
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:40,240
He's just to say I believe it, but he said I can see how it should have happened.

366
00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:45,240
Now there were about six blackouts shortly after that.

367
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:50,240
There was one in St. Paul, two areas went out, this UFO came down low altitude.

368
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:54,240
There was one in Brazil, there was one in Italy, there were two in Texas.

369
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:59,240
And they all of them were for minor causes but escalated on the grids.

370
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:05,240
So maybe that's nothing, but at least there is electromagnetic interference, which does have some effects.

371
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:16,240
And one strange thing about this electromagnetic possibility is that they have now found that it is possible to hear electromagnetic waves.

372
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:21,240
Now this comes from Professor Clyde Ingalls of Cornell University.

373
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:24,240
He's been conducting tests for quite a long time.

374
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:33,240
He has taken subjects, and he must have pretty much got a bit of nerve too, and he puts them in the edge of a radar beam.

375
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:39,240
And then they move in gradually, not too close to center because you can get killed that way if you stay long enough.

376
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:43,240
But he comes in and then they begin to hear strange sounds.

377
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:49,240
And they don't hear them through the ears, they seem to be coming from some sort of vibration up here at the top of the forehead.

378
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:57,240
Well he's conducted quite a number of tests and he's convinced that this is true, and I've seen other discussions recently.

379
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:05,240
Which could explain why most of the wild animals seem to run wild when UFOs are in the area and down low.

380
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:09,240
Even though the animals are inside of buildings, they can't see anything.

381
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:16,240
This happened of an exterd, where the reports of cattle, horses, dogs, all of them pinned up inside.

382
00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:24,240
Whereas the horses were kicking the stable, their stones, the dogs were howling and so on.

383
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:28,240
These are just interesting little items, but they are on the record.

384
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:33,240
Now, one thing has been brought up repeatedly, and that is the radar.

385
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:36,240
What time did we get started? I don't want to run over this.

386
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:42,240
Many people have said there never has been a single radar case.

387
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:52,240
The Air Force recently told an armed services committee down on Capitol Hill that they did not have a single unexplained radar case.

388
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:59,240
Dr. Heineck, the number one consultant, knocked the ground out from under them by coming out shortly afterwards in Science Magazine.

389
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:01,240
So they had many unexplained radar cases.

390
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:04,240
And here's one that happened down at Cape Kennedy.

391
00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:10,240
A Polaris missile had just been fired and it dropped the first stage.

392
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:15,240
And suddenly radar picked up a huge target, blip.

393
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:22,240
Some unknown object which had come in from a high altitude down to the same altitude as the Polaris.

394
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:29,240
The automatic tracking radar immediately shifted over to track the UFO and for several minutes they lost track of the Polaris.

395
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:40,240
I was down there giving a talk about three years ago and one of the officials down there gave me a copy of the report which says for official use only.

396
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:46,240
But he said, don't worry about that. It has no legal status. Just go ahead and mention it anytime you want to.

397
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:57,240
There have been, now there was a case of Washington years ago where these things were tracked by radar seen visually from the tower at Andrews Air Force Base in Washington National.

398
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:02,240
Planes in the air and triangulated by radar at three different locations.

399
00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:11,240
In one case the UFO was flying at or speeding at 130 miles an hour across the river from Andrews toward National.

400
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:16,240
It accelerated in three seconds to 7200.

401
00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:22,240
Now I got that report from the man in the tower and later the control center which is over to another location.

402
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:24,240
I confirmed they had exactly the same speed.

403
00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:29,240
Now there's sometimes that we have been asked if there's any danger connected these things.

404
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:33,240
So one possible danger is occasionally they might be radiation.

405
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:40,240
The former head of the project said yes there have been cases where we have found radiation when these things were down close.

406
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:47,240
Down in Virginia, Grotto's Virginia, an object landed and was only around for a few moments.

407
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:53,240
And later two DuPont company engineers came in and checked it with Geiger counters and said it was very hot.

408
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:55,240
It was extremely radioactive.

409
00:49:56,240 --> 00:50:01,240
One pilot was warned by the Air Force after he was circled very closely by three objects near New Mexico.

410
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:09,240
Two watched his health and if he developed any symptoms of radiation sickness they let them know immediately and then get him to a federal hospital.

411
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:17,240
I thought that was just a little bit too much because how in the world could he get that from the swift circling of his plane.

412
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:26,240
But anyway this was an ex-Navy pilot with a very fine war record and he's the sales manager of a huge tool plant out on the west coast.

413
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:32,240
I'm going to skip a little bit because I know we're getting late and we can bring up some of these points in the question period.

414
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:37,240
The matter of propulsion is certainly going to be mentioned here.

415
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:46,240
I can only say that the explanation for these things being able to maneuver and make violent turns accelerate at high speeds in our atmosphere.

416
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:54,240
According to our advisors and some people outside is that they must have an artificial gravity field.

417
00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:59,240
Now this used to be the great science fiction writer's dream, the gravity shield.

418
00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:01,240
Now here are people that think it's possible.

419
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:06,240
Herman Ober who was co-designer of the V2 rocket which bombed London.

420
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:13,240
William Lear, children of Lear Jet and electronic genius and who is now also building space equipment.

421
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:25,240
Dr. Robert Forward with Hughes Aircraft who spent two or three years at the University of Maryland studying gravity with the hope that someday they will be able to find out how to control it.

422
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:30,240
Robert Lone years ago said that he was convinced this was the answer so that it fell and fell aerospace.

423
00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:42,240
I checked into this and found out that the government has 46 open projects on various phases of G and undoubtedly from what I learned there must be at least that many secret projects.

424
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:44,240
A lot of money is being spent.

425
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:54,240
Maybe it will take us years to get the answer but if we do it's going to revolutionize not just air travel or space travel but many things here on Earth.

426
00:51:55,240 --> 00:52:04,240
The major conclusion at nightcap by our board of governors and most of our consultants is that these things are real they're under intelligent control.

427
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:12,240
They cannot be any secret weapons owners because their speeds maneuvers are beyond anything that we've even dreaming about.

428
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:19,240
Some of the people who have made open statements are Admiral Farney whom I mentioned, former head of guided missiles.

429
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:27,240
He said it appears from the evidence that these objects are coming into our atmosphere from somewhere else under intelligent control.

430
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:31,240
The way they change positions in formation indicates they must be controlled.

431
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:43,240
Colonel Joseph Bryan III on our board of governors, former special assistant to the secretary of the Air Force says that he is aware of hundreds of cases where these things have been cited, photographed, tracked by radar.

432
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:48,240
They are interplanetary and the secrecy is wrong and is dangerous.

433
00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:53,240
People agreeing with him are Dr. Leslie Keverna, University of Southern California.

434
00:52:54,240 --> 00:53:02,240
Lieutenant Colonel Howard Spann, commanding officer of the National Guard Base at Battle Creek and scores of other people who should know.

435
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:14,240
Now the only reason for secrecy is seems to be fair of alarming the American people because the Air Force does not have all the answers.

436
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:17,240
They don't know what's back at this. They don't know the motives.

437
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:20,240
They don't know whether there's any hostility or not.

438
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:25,240
It might be but the evidence indicates so far that there is not any hostility.

439
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:39,240
This has been going on for a long time and even though three Air Force pilots have lost their lives chasing these things and have been in deaths elsewhere on the ground where people got too close to them, these could be accidents.

440
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:48,240
There is only one other reason, there are two other reasons why the Air Force is in this part about secrecy, aside from their being under CIA orders.

441
00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:55,240
They have been denying this so long that when they admit it, they're going to be jumped on by the press and the public and particularly Congress.

442
00:53:56,240 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker McCormick told me about four years ago that even he couldn't get anything out of the Air Force in a closed session about this, but he was assured there was nothing to it.

443
00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:12,240
One other reason is that several times the Strategic Air Command has launched bombers against Russia.

444
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:20,240
My radar scope showed what appeared to be formations of objects approaching the United States from that direction.

445
00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:28,240
Now the error was found and the bombers were recalled, but we have some Strategic Air Command people in ICAP.

446
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:37,240
And one man said this could very easily build up. The Russians know that we launch. They get signals from agents here or near other bases abroad.

447
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:48,240
We pick them up on our radar, we keep going and if the UFOs are still there, they confuse the pictures to your farther and somebody presses the missile button and you've got World War 3.

448
00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:59,240
The people who signed that warning went to the Pentagon included Vice Admiral R. H. Hillencoater, former head of the Central Intelligence Agency and all these other people who I just mentioned.

449
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:13,240
I believe that it is serious enough that they should end the secrecy, inform all defense personnel of the difference between UFO characteristics on radar to avoid any more risk of accidental war.

450
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:23,240
But whether or not you believe in UFOs, this one danger remains. So you do have a stake in that. You do believe in it.

451
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:41,240
And if it proves later that these things are interplanetary and they're coming from somewhere else, from more advanced civilization, the day or shortly afterwards that we make any connection, communication with an advanced race like that will change the lives of everyone on this earth.

452
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:43,240
Thank you.

453
00:55:53,240 --> 00:56:07,240
I want to thank all of you. I know we'll get time later. A very warm welcome here to Mrs. Keto and myself. This is Emily. She's no stranger than Lansville, her grandfather, who's down here years ago and was known as an engineer.

454
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:20,240
He built railroads and a lot of other things. This is James Wilson and she has known enough people down here. She said, well, when I got this invitation to go out over it, she said, that's what I want you to accept immediately.

455
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:26,240
Thank you for the welcome. And now we'll see what we can do with the slides, please.

456
00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:37,240
This is an artist's joint based on the official report from South Pretoria, the Pretoria, South Africa of the object which blessed the hole in the highway.

457
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:56,240
It is a fairly faithful rendition of the scene as they described it. The object was about 40 feet in diameter and had this raised area and exhausts what straight down and for about 50 feet and then after that why it's touching the highway.

458
00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:58,240
Thanks, please.

459
00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:23,240
Well, that doesn't show too much. Now this is a photograph taken at Beaver County, Pennsylvania in 1965. The object that left is the moon. The purpose was to get a still picture of the moon and just as a photographer was taken one of these shots, this object appeared over some trees and then came down in front of the trees.

460
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:32,240
They don't show on this sketch, but they enabled us to figure the approximate size. It was presumably about 50 feet in diameter, possibly smaller.

461
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:43,240
Now that white area underneath was not seen visually. It was caught on the film. The object that was seen visually has shown them that little box down at the corner.

462
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:53,240
This photograph was evaluated by four photographers in Beaver County and then it was evaluated by our chief photographic advisor.

463
00:57:54,240 --> 00:58:07,240
They all agreed that this was not a hoax film. We had an investigator out there for weeks checking on the whole thing and checking into the reputation of the photographer and two other witnesses who were present.

464
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:12,240
And as far as we can tell, this is a genuine photograph.

465
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:14,240
Thanks, please.

466
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:27,240
This is another artist's rendition of a signed report by four Rocketdyne engineers taken out at the, I think it's the Cuyuga County or the Cuyuga facility at Rocketdyne out in California.

467
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:40,240
They described this oval shaped object as shining, going very brightly as if it were polished aluminum and the two smaller devices keeping perfect position, precision formation.

468
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:55,240
The three objects moved across the valley and then tilted up and climbed out of sight at the speed which these engineers wouldn't even estimate, but the speed at which it crossed the valley, they said, was at the very least 5,000 miles an hour.

469
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:57,240
Next, please.

470
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:07,240
This is an artist's sketch of the encounter over the Atlantic by the Navy transport. It really shows the approximate size of the disk as reported by the crews.

471
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,240
Four times the wingspan of the transport.

472
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:13,240
Next, please.

473
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:19,240
Now this one, I think, is the most important thing that we've got our hands on out of the Air Force.

474
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:27,240
This is an official Air Force intelligence sketch which was contained in Air Force manual 200-3.

475
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:33,240
It was circulated secretly to all Air Force intelligence officers with the notations.

476
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,240
We must be on guard against technological surprise.

477
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:41,240
Now this shows two disks coming into an Air Force library.

478
00:59:41,240 --> 01:00:01,240
At the time that they were circulating this secretly to Air Force intelligence officers, they were putting out a public report called Special Report 14 in which they said, we have examined over 3,200, 3,800 sighting reports.

479
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:07,240
Only 12 had enough detail for us even to visualize the object scene.

480
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:14,240
None of the 12 agreed, therefore it is impossible to make even a rough marvel of what one of these things looks like.

481
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,240
So intelligence officers know what they look like, but probably doesn't.

482
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:23,240
That was given to us by an Air Force colonel.

483
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:31,240
And the circumstances were, it was security restricted and he came up and said, I am very much concerned of this secret, and he's a member of NICAP.

484
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:38,240
He said, this was security restricted, but that no longer exists, that classification.

485
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:44,240
Somebody just woke up to it and they give an order saying it moved up to secret, but it's still unclassified.

486
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:46,240
Oh, here it is.

487
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:48,240
Copy it, give it to the newspaper.

488
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:55,240
So we did that, and I was told later by a friend of mine over in Pentagon, they said, well, we finally got NICAP.

489
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,240
We got them for violating national security.

490
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,240
Then they looked again, they said, oh, no, we haven't either.

491
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:08,240
And then afterwards they said, well, there's nothing to prevent an artist from drawing his conception of what one of these things looks like.

492
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:18,240
And that's the only explanation as to how they happen to have this being circulated to every Air Force base in this country, the United States Air Force Base here in Amorla.

493
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:21,240
Next please.

494
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:35,240
Now that's not very clear, but that is a sketch drawn by an artist which follows an official report which is one of the few accepted by the Air Force.

495
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:42,240
This happened now in Secura, New Mexico, where a police officer named Juan is tomorrow chasing a speeder.

496
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,240
He saw something over on one side and he went over to take a look.

497
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:50,240
There was a dynamite shack nearby and he thought somebody might be tampering with it.

498
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:56,240
He saw what he said later, he thought he saw two figures scurrying around this thing.

499
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:09,240
The next thing you notice is that it was moving and then the object blasted exhaust flame from below and climbed up to about 25 or 30 feet and went off in a horizontal direction just clearing the ridge.

500
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:16,240
The Air Force investigated this and I thought well it's simply a one witness report and they will knock it down.

501
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,240
Strangely enough this is one case which they said they couldn't explain.

502
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:26,240
Dr. Heineck went down and interviewed the police officer and said there wasn't any question about it.

503
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,240
The man was honest, he was telling the truth as he saw it.

504
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:36,240
And finally the Air Force spokesman Major Mastin M. Jax in the Pentagon said,

505
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:41,240
Policeman Zamora saw an unidentified and unidentified vehicle.

506
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,240
This does not prove it came from outer space.

507
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:46,240
Next please.

508
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:58,240
This is the much advertised Averro disc which was first conceived by the Averro company up in Canada.

509
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:04,240
The Air Force released this glossy picture of an artist sketch in 1955.

510
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,240
The Secretary of the Air Force, Secretary Corral said,

511
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:16,240
Soon people will be seeing this and other objects like it, disc shaped objects and they will be reporting flying saucers.

512
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:18,240
We thought we had better tell them.

513
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,240
This was 1955 remember.

514
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:27,240
In 1955 they had not even built a mock up of this thing in Canada.

515
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:35,240
Two months after this came out, two people in Ohio were terrified and children were terrified when a disc came down and hovered near their home.

516
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:43,240
They didn't say anything about it for a week or two and finally a friend got in touch with Wright Patterson Air Force Base.

517
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,240
And an Air Force intelligence major came over and showed them this sketch.

518
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,240
They said what you saw was a secret test of this Averro disc.

519
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,240
They got off course, they shouldn't have been down here, they were supposed to stay in Canada.

520
01:03:55,240 --> 01:04:01,240
But that's what you saw and we would like to have you sign this statement here agreeing that that's what you saw.

521
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:08,240
Which of course would have made them keep still because it was a secret device test they would have to shut up.

522
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:10,240
They wouldn't sign it.

523
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:12,240
Later they gave us a signed report on this.

524
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,240
We sent it to the Air Force and the Air Force said,

525
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:17,240
We never heard of this before.

526
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,240
There is such an officer at Wright Path but he has never been in this alliance city.

527
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:28,240
But to go on with this thing, about seven years later they finally completed a model.

528
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:30,240
He wouldn't fly.

529
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:32,240
So they changed it.

530
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:34,240
They worked on it another year or so.

531
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:40,240
Finally we got a copy of a write off report from a friend in the Army.

532
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,240
The Army had withdrawn his fund.

533
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:48,240
They said this thing is wildly uncontrollable and will only lift two or three feet off the ground.

534
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:52,240
If it's tethered, it's safe enough but that's as high as we can get.

535
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:54,240
The Navy withdrew.

536
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:03,240
The Navy withdrew its funds and finally the Air Force withdrew its funds and this thing was killed cold and the highest it ever lifted was four feet.

537
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:08,240
The statement in 1955 was that this object would rise vertically.

538
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,240
It would attain a speed of 1500 miles an hour.

539
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,240
It would make right angle turns without banking or anything else.

540
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:30,240
In spite of the fact that this was cancelled, when the big excitement happened with the Mars gas last year, or a vacuum gas last spring, the Air Force re-released this photograph.

541
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:43,240
A lot of newspapers said probably people have been seeing secret tests of the Abroad disc which is now down at a museum, mounted on a pedestal in a museum down somewhere in Virginia.

542
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:48,240
And that's as high as it got. It's more than four feet off the ground because they got it up on a pedestal.

543
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:50,240
Next please.

544
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,240
This goes back a long ways but it has a new interest.

545
01:05:55,240 --> 01:06:04,240
Four discs followed a modern railway train in 1958 and they would go up to the front and then drop back and this went on for quite a while.

546
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:13,240
This was verified and finally the Air Force asked the railroad to have the defense stop talking about it because they said it was causing a little concern around the area.

547
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:21,240
A year ago we got a report from the crew, a work train crew of near, it was in Nebraska.

548
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:31,240
A disc described as about the same size and appearance came down to very low altitude and maneuvered around this train for a while and scared some of the train crew.

549
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:43,240
We have several reports of that type. As a matter of fact these things have maneuvered over cars, trucks, ships, small boats and of course all kinds of aerial transportation.

550
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:45,240
Next please.

551
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,240
This is really two sketches.

552
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:56,240
That section below is a cross section of what was seen by the crew at Eastern Airlines plane over Alabama.

553
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:05,240
Captain Francis Childs and John B. Woodhead reported this thing came toward the runway at speed of about 550 miles an hour.

554
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:15,240
Woodhead and Captain Childs banked away from it and the object appeared to the other side and they could feel the exhaust impact when it went by.

555
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:21,240
Whatever it was it was coming out of the tail of this thing and it appeared to be an exhaust about 50 feet long.

556
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:23,240
It rocked the DC-3.

557
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,240
This remained one of the unexplained cases.

558
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,240
The Air Force admitted they had no answer for it.

559
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:45,240
Even on Armstrong Circle Theater, like in 1958, they had me on there with Air Force and they cut me off and I tried to bring out some information that we had.

560
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,240
They promised the Air Force there would be no controversy.

561
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,240
They said they admitted they had no answer for this.

562
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:57,240
About 16 months ago this was written off as a fireball.

563
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,240
Now that happened in 1948.

564
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:08,240
So in 1965 or 65, they suddenly found out it was a fireball.

565
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,240
The next page. That may be the last one.

566
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:16,240
This is really an old one, but it also has a special interest.

567
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:23,240
Three objects came down there in the USS Supply on clear day in 1904.

568
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:32,240
The large object, the rear, had sort of a sharp saw-like saw-tooth edge and that appeared to be flame.

569
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:37,240
Some kind of flame seemed to be emanating from it or a bright glow.

570
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:46,240
Well, this report was sent in by an officer who later became commanding officer of the Pacific Fleet.

571
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,240
I can't think of his name and I swear I've said it a hundred times.

572
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,240
It's Frank Sutting and I'll probably think it's in five minutes.

573
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:59,240
But anyway, it's on the record and he was commanding chief of the Pacific Fleet and he still stands by that report.

574
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:01,240
I believe that is the last one.

575
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:03,240
Thank you very much.

576
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:07,240
Well, I'll try to answer questions as long as you want to study.

577
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:11,240
But I'll bet some of them will be from scientists here, which are going to be a little tough.

578
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:28,240
I think we have a question from down here somewhere.

579
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:30,240
Yes.

580
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:37,240
I noticed you didn't mention the life of the poet uninterrupted journey.

581
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:40,240
Have you had a chance to read it or what do you think about it?

582
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:44,240
We not only had a chance to read it, we got the letters.

583
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:50,240
I got letters from Barney and Betty Hill about a week after they had that experience.

584
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:52,240
The first is actual sighting.

585
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:57,240
I compared them with the look story recently and there seemed to be some discrepancies.

586
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:01,240
But at any rate, we had an investigator up there often known for a period of two years.

587
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:06,240
He knew they were seeing psychiatrists and going through hypnosis and everything.

588
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:11,240
We kept trying to keep the story buried because of the bad effect it might have.

589
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:19,240
Well, for got access to our files when he wrote the incident at Exeter and he saw that thing in there,

590
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,240
which made us decide not to open our files to anybody and all that.

591
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:30,240
Anyway, he got this. He saw this as a big sensational story and we tried to argue it out of it, but he wrote it.

592
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:36,240
We believe these people had a frightening encounter while they were driving.

593
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:41,240
They saw something as scary because we checked very much into their background and the type of people they were.

594
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:51,240
The rest of it, I think, was a matter of tensions in their private lives magnified by two series of hypnosis.

595
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:57,240
They were hypnotized by one psychiatrist and who knows what he did to their mental processes.

596
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,240
And then he went to Dr. Simon and he hypnotized him.

597
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,240
So I would say my personal opinion is they did not. They were not abducted.

598
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:08,240
It's amazing how many women have asked me after talks.

599
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,240
Is it safe to go out at night and we'd like them to be abducted?

600
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:14,240
So I don't think there's any danger from that particular source.

601
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:18,240
We don't think they actually saw people either.

602
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,240
I don't know. That's possible, too.

603
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:26,240
But the details are so sharp.

604
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:31,240
If they were that frightened, I think they would have gotten in their car and gone down the road.

605
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,240
I don't deny that these things could have happened.

606
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:40,240
Just that every case we checked where they described beings, there was something about it that didn't seem to click.

607
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,240
And most of them you can prove are simply not true.

608
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,240
You want to handle a dongle?

609
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:52,240
Well, no. You go ahead. There's no other question here.

610
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:54,240
Yes.

611
01:11:55,240 --> 01:12:02,240
What was that disc which never slipped through without strings, without the belt around?

612
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:04,240
What was the power of art?

613
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:11,240
It was a ground effect, cushion effect, just a blast of air, given downward.

614
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,240
It's common enough. It was advertised years ago.

615
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:18,240
There was one that showed a man standing on this thing, a little frame around it.

616
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:20,240
Ground cushion effect.

617
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:34,240
And also, if you know, did they ever pick up anything from the craft radar from the craft or any kind of radar?

618
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,240
What particular craft? You mean any of them?

619
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:39,240
Yeah, any of them.

620
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:53,240
Oh, yes. I think I mentioned there are hundreds of radar cases on record where radar even triangulation showed things to be exactly where they were seen visually and moving in the same way, same maneuvers and same speeds.

621
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:58,240
Excuse me. I think he meant did they emit any radar radiation themselves?

622
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:00,240
Oh, that much.

623
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:02,240
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I misunderstood.

624
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:05,240
No, there's no record of that.

625
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:14,240
I don't know of any case where UFO has been, has given off radar emanation. We have no record of it.

626
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:19,240
Have they ever found any part of a spacecraft or a suspected part?

627
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:34,240
Well, down in Boston in 1952, there was a, there was a report that a piece of metal fell from one of these things during that, those two nights, one of those nights when they were flying around over the Washington building and so on.

628
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:44,240
And this was supposed to be turned over to the Bureau of Standards and then the Bureau of Standards was sent to have given it to the head of the Canadian project, Wilbur Smith.

629
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:47,240
Well, I knew Smith very well. He told me he had it.

630
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:52,240
And I got up there and he said it back to Washington.

631
01:13:53,240 --> 01:14:00,240
He was a brilliant engineer and I didn't doubt his word and then I've never been able to find any trace of that.

632
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:02,240
I don't know. The Bureau of Standards denies it.

633
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:12,240
And all the rest of these stories of Christ's saucers out in the Southwest, Skelly's book, you know, behind the flying saucers, that was pure bulk.

634
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:15,240
Thank you, Dean.

635
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:16,240
Yes.

636
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:42,240
Assuming you might assume this censorship was a monstrous credibility gap perpetrated on the American people, especially your Republican, but surely, surely what hurtful situation with respect to all the other countries in the world is do they have, what is the official position of other governments,

637
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:51,240
have they similar investigations, are they all perpetrating the same sort of credibility gap thing on their people?

638
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:58,240
Well, first place, this has been going on over various administrations, Republican and Democrat, so you can't hang on.

639
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:14,240
But several countries have security restrictions. One of them is England. For a while they were giving out reports and we had several reports.

640
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:22,240
Unofficially, we answered copies of them and they said, no, we've just gone under security. We can't give them to you. Norway did the same thing. We have a letter from them.

641
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:23,240
There's a worldwide...

642
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:35,240
No, it's not worldwide because there are gaps in it and actually it's not... I think they're really afraid of worrying people. Now, there have been some action. People have been hurt by these things.

643
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:46,240
Down in Venezuela one night, one of these things came down low over a fishing fleet and all the fishermen, Lake Marrakeibo, all the fishermen jumped out, swam to shore, one of them didn't make it.

644
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:55,240
Well, I still remember down there in that area, there have been people over in India. Indian villages over there have been terrified.

645
01:15:55,240 --> 01:16:07,240
Inhabitants of islands in the Pacific, numerous cases, reports. Now, they never read any books on UFOs, but when a strange ship would come in there, they were all terrified.

646
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:18,240
Strange objects came down here and so forth. But about half the countries in the world, they might say we don't have any censorship, but they won't give you the reports.

647
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:20,240
They do have reports?

648
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:21,240
They only have reports.

649
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,240
Do you think they have an official investigation?

650
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:35,240
Well, Brazil, for instance, had an official investigation. And the man in charge of it put out a statement saying he thought it was so serious that all nations of the world should pool their information.

651
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:40,240
Because he said this could be something rather that would affect all of us.

652
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:46,240
That was the last it was ever heard from him or anybody connected with it. And you can't get any reports from Brazil.

653
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:58,240
But in contrast, the Argentine government gives us anything we ask for. We get quite a lot of information out of Australia, even though the parent country, England, won't come.

654
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,240
It won't give you anything.

655
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:10,240
Canada, the same way. For a while we got Canadian reports for the score. And all of a sudden they said we turned these over to RCIF and they said no.

656
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:19,240
I think it's mainly they don't want to get tangled into this thing, the point where they have to admit to their people that these things are real and that that's all they know.

657
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:30,240
On the touchdown, if you've mentioned, anyone made any attempts to make an outheous call or rock for these things?

658
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:33,240
What is the last at all?

659
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:38,240
In the Pretoria case in South Africa, the samples were taken of that roadway.

660
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:49,240
And we learned, not from this Colonel Brett, but we learned from another source over there that they were making exhaustive tests.

661
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:56,240
We've asked for an answer and we're going to try through the embassy now, but I don't know if we will get the information.

662
01:17:56,240 --> 01:18:01,240
In several cases there has been radioactivity detected.

663
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:08,240
Once in Ohio, the one I mentioned down in Everglades, and one or two other places.

664
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:17,240
But there have been cases where there were indentations in the ground found immediately after one of these things were seen to touch and take off.

665
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:21,240
That happened very recently up in North Dakota.

666
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:28,240
The Colorado Project was so impressed by that the Air Force said this was one of the most important cases of 1966.

667
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:37,240
And immediately Robert Low, the coordinator for the Colorado Project was flown up there in an Air Force jet to check in.

668
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:47,240
And I might add an interesting item there while he was learning found out that these camper guards that they have around the missile sites reported dozens of times.

669
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:50,240
These things have come down and hovered over missile sites.

670
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:53,240
They said nobody seemed to be interested so we stopped reporting them.

671
01:18:53,240 --> 01:19:03,240
Now that we know that somebody is interested, we'll send them all to Colorado so that they're getting reports by the dozens in there.

672
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:11,240
In these close encounters between aircraft and missile systems, do they report experiencing an air shock wave?

673
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:17,240
Now that goes into this theory of an artificial gravity field.

674
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:30,240
It's obvious that there's no machine can fly in our atmosphere at speeds of several thousand miles an hour, say down at 15,000 feet.

675
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:40,240
Accelerate from zero or on up to 5,000 or 7,000 without getting terrific heat and either disintegrating, burning at a certain point while things go into pieces.

676
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:55,240
If they are surrounded by a cushion, if the artificial gravity field holds air molecules around it, which is the theory that's played to me by Oberth and through three other these people I mentioned.

677
01:19:55,240 --> 01:20:04,240
So that would that would nullify the sonic bone and also keep them from heating up and having any effect on the hull.

678
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:13,240
But I don't know if all of the theory and nobody apparently knows of how it could work.

679
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:25,240
Berger Heinz, a German scientist worked on this for a long time and he came as close as Annie to say that he could explain how these things could move without affecting anyone inside.

680
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:31,240
First, being since I would not feel any sudden acceleration and he suddenly turned to anything else. Lear said the same thing.

681
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:37,240
Dr. Ford said that if the flank sources are real, they've got to have an artificial gravity field.

682
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:46,240
In a lot of the early reports that you mentioned today, single observers gave a lot of these as a mention to the people.

683
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:54,240
I think it's clear that an object in some systems of unknown size can only be reported to angular velocity.

684
01:20:55,240 --> 01:21:08,240
In many cases, they were down low enough that there were trees or ridges behind them or there was radar, which gave them very accurate measurements.

685
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:16,240
And then you could say it appeared the size of a quarter held in arm's length and then you get the radar range and you can work that out.

686
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:23,240
I know what you mean. You can let you know the distance. You can't know the size and vice versa in a clear sky looking upward.

687
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:31,240
But if you get right radar triangulation, you're coming off a close to you can figure it out roughly.

688
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:40,240
And many of these cases, there were problems flying above, looking down on them and comparing them with objects of the ground and the altitude was known.

689
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:48,240
There were so many cases that there wasn't a question of being able to figure it out that one over the Atlantic.

690
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:56,240
This was so close just before they tilt it up and went by that the commander said it just simply blotted out everything.

691
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,240
It was really going to collide and it wasn't small.